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     CommentAuthorSCdreamer (CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008 edited)

    
   thought i post a thought provoking topic.
   
   i personally believe that all of us should at least kill an animal for food once, so as to appreciate its sacrifice and its value. I think most people these days do not think of meat as part of an animal, its just a pc of meat.
   
   personally i have killed a chicken , pucked it and cook it during my scouting days...it was a good experience and i constantly remind myself food is sacred.
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     CommentAuthormacadamia^n (CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008)

    
   iv seen the slaughtering of cows n lamb during the hari raya haj...n for a while ther i partly thought i would never eat meat anymore..but i realise it is fine to eat meat. cos i gues god created them to provide us with food juzt like vegetables(which were once living things)..it is important not to over do it and to take it for granted. dont just stuff ourselves thinking that it will always be around

   SCdreamer
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     CommentAuthorJon Wan (CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008)

    
   Once down under...training exercise...someone who knew someone...killed a koala bear while he was manning the GPMG...he was court martialled
   
   i can't bear to do it...
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     CommentAuthorSCdreamer (CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008)

    
   what an idiot!!!
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     CommentAuthorJon Wan (CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008)

    
   how about fishing...is that counted?
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     CommentAuthorSCdreamer (CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2008)

    
   yeah ...i think thats counted...but land animals has more impact on me personally, cz of their eyes
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     CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

    
   huh? I won't order any "live" food in a restaurant that is....has to be dead already.... personally it is just bad karma to order a kill.
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     CommentAuthorPANERAI (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

    
   JW....that idiot who shot the koala bear should have his arse bent over for a GPMG session !!!
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     CommentAuthormacadamia^n (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

    
   id like to kill that guy for killing an innocent koala
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      CommentAuthorJerry Wang (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    I think most of us will be vegetarian if we had to kill animals for ourselves. I would be so scared to kill one. I once ran away from this crazy duck b/c I guess I came too close to her nest. How am I going to kill a big cow if I'm scared of a little duck?
    
    Also, hunting is only a sport if the animals can shoot back with a rifle.
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      CommentAuthorSCdreamer (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    jerry, my point exactly, thats why u have to observe or take part in a killing to appreciate the value of an animal meat. Its NOT just meat on a super market shelf.
    
    I'm not advocating hunting for sports, killing for leisure, BUT killing for food.
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      CommentAuthorAnne Lee (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    i''ll run down bambi if i'm hungry enough.
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      CommentAuthorSCdreamer (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    hahahaha...Anne u CaveWoman! hahaha
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      CommentAuthorAleus (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    so long you eat what you 'kill', not kill for pleasure, do not overdo it, do not do it in a barbaric way/break any laws, I think its fine. Homosapiens were never meant to be vegetarians anyway (else we would only have molars)
    
    Personally I dont see a difference if you order a live prawns n then they are steamed as opposed to steaming frozen prawns, other than the fact the former taste nicer. Whats the difference between ordering a 'kill' and eating something that was killed beforehand without direct orders. After all, if there was no demand, the kill done beforehand would not have taken place.
    
    I am quite sure if roles were reversed and say a predator was looking at us as a meal objective, I hardly think its going to consider so many factors just simply hungry or not. At the end of the day, we all go back to the earth when we die...so its just a cycle.
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    Aleus,
    
    there is a BIG karmic difference between ordering a kill and ordering a dead already item IF you are of certain religious beliefs. Also the same argument would be like what the difference between using recycled paper or using a nice new sheet of paper. You didn't have to chop down new trees with the recycled one....The fact that there is already demand does not mean we can't do our part in the whole scheme of things....it is a bit like recycling there will always be waste and wastage but if each person does a little things can change. Begins with oneself.
    
    Anyway it is all a matter of personal perspectives and beliefs so no right or wrong. A lot of things in life do run in cycles and so does karma if you believe in it. Personally, if you walked the Chinatown market enough you will see how frogs get killed...slit the throat and pull from bottom so the head and skin can come off together leaving the twitching body on the display and the head still gasping in the dustbin.....betcha you don't wannna die like that.... or the Sheng Yu (fish) that is thrown on the market floor then clobbered with a huge wooden bat on the head till concuss then cut up while alive? If you put a human into the picture it is actually SAW ahahahahah =)
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      CommentAuthorAleus (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008 edited)

     
    thus i said, not in a barbaric way...which kinda mitigates ur entire second paragraph :)
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008 edited)

     
    there is simply no such thing as non barbaric way when it comes to killing dude....all killings are ugly no matter how "humane" you want to make it out to be.

    SCdreamer
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      CommentAuthorJon Wan (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    between us all...i know someone who became a vegetarian but the diet didn't suit her well...she got a very big illness and the doctor told her to have some meat in her diet...
    
    she's fine now :)
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      CommentAuthorSCdreamer (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    yeah ...I tried that too...I think my immue system went down...n got struck down with chicken pox during uni days...wah super bad case of chicken pox....had a 20cent size bald patch too..the then doc..told me may not grow back!!!
    
    Luckily it did!!! Phew!!!! n the sores on the body ...yikess the pain!!!!
    
    it could be my poor planning of the veg diet....really need to ensure u have enough vitamins and other nutritional stuff when u go veg...
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    Did my vegetarian thing in college for a year no problem leh...still can swim and work out every other day then.... i think depends lah... my parents are vegetarians and they are almost never ill...
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      CommentAuthorAleus (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    I dont quite agree. One way of killing a chicken is to slit its throat, it dies quickly. In Korea, dog meat is popular, as it is in China, the dog is often tied up and beaten (while alive) to promote blood circulation. Sharks are often caught and have their fins cut off and thrown back into the ocean (still alive) Given those 3 examples, I would say the first way is way more humane....don't you think so?
    
    Or how about this...not too long ago in Singapore when wet markets were still abundant n chicken stores sold live chickens...frozen chickens were much more expensive and rare. For a family to eat a chicken, one had to go to the market, tell the store to kill a chicken...I guess thats ordering a live kill? All I am saying is that, there is no difference (not debating right or wrong here, just saying no difference) between 2 people who eat chicken, and one orders a live kill and the other eating a frozen chicken...I would say in both cases a chicken died.....to say the latter did not order a live kill is simply warping the facts...didnt the chicken have to die for the latter to eat it too?! But of cos...just cos someone eats the cow doesnt mean they wanna see the living cow heehee.
    
    Unfortunately, until the day regrowable animals are made possible (creepy tho) killing animals for consumption will continue to take place....
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    We know killing animals will continue no one disagrees. If i slit your throat is it humane? If it isn't, then slitting a chicken's throat isn't as well.... bottomline there is no right or wrong just a personal boundary by which we can or cannot accept thats all. Mine is limited to ordering dead food instead of "live" ones. =)
    
    Anyway no point debating about this....i will abstain from posting on this topic. =)
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      CommentAuthorice (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    picky: how about in tsukiji? dun u eat "live" fish?
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008)

     
    last post sorry ice no leh...just eat what is in the display hahahah good enough...I believe in karma so I do not order live kills...
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      CommentAuthorAleus (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008)

     
    Picky Gourmet,
    hmmm....slitting my throat would fall under breaking the law....I covered that too! You are just taking one of my points and debunking it....I stated a criteria which pretty much covered most aspects as a personal boundary. In the event you do change your mind and choose to debate further, pls take what I said as a whole and dont just pick on one point alone....
    
    If eating live food is simply unacceptable/ slitting a chicken's throat is wrong....do you eat chickens? If so, how did the chicken you eat die? Did you make sure that its throat was not slit since its inhumane in your book? Just like you touched upon recycling...Ikea actually makes sure that its suppliers practise a sustainable/recyclable way of business before using them as suppliers...as Ikea feels strongly and its a personal boundary to it as a company. Since you feel so strongly about it, did you ensure your suppliers comply to this boundary of yours?
    
    If this post comes across as personal, its merely in response the ‘if I slit your throat…’ which is what most forum posters resort to when failing to provide valid points to sustain their point of view and mutate into personal comments (being tactful here). Up till now, I have refrained from using refering specifically to any one poster in my postings.
    
    Having said that, this was meant to be a thought provoking thread. Cos with thought provoking issues, tempers are easily frayed as some people would hold such issues close to the heart. The topic basically asked for one’s opinion, state it, be done with it…accept it that there are others with a different opinion…Better yet… if one is easily offended by another’s input, one should simply refrain from reading such threads to save themselves a emotional rollercoaster .
    
    I think we can safely say that you prefer ordering dead food, where else I will not delude myself that a chicken still had to die for me to eat it..be it whether I ordered it to be killed or not. Its just a matter of personal boundaries for us. :D
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      CommentAuthorice (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008)

     
    woa. win liao
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008 edited)

     
    Aleus,
    
    I won't argue over the killing of animals part as I have said my piece there. But seeing a directed post at me I have to clarify.
    
    with "if I slit your throat" comment I am referring to your point about "if there is such thing as a humane way or non barbaric way to kill" nothing to do with original thread anymore. Perhaps I need to go back to school to write more clearly eh? =) so my bad LOL
    
    Again I restate my point: there is NO HUMANE WAY to kill plain and simple. Please don't twist my words around for a different context or perhaps you misunderstood what I am trying to say? wrong frequency eh?
    This is no personal comment it is just putting yourself in that position and think if it is humane to have your throat slit. I will use myself as example since you think I am being personal using "you". In human sense, If I lie there and someone slit my throat i don't think that is humane man....i will bleed to death slow and painful....twitching and all...shitting and peeing myself....
    
    How did the chickens I eat die? Already did and I don't know how it died. You are not a Buddhist I presume. Let me point this out again. There is a HUGE difference between asking the chef to kill a chicken (or whatever animal) there and then versus ordering an already dead chicken. The religion will encourage pure vegetarian diet of course but in the religious context ordering a kill is a bigger sin than eating an already dead one. Therein lies my point of "I only eat whatever is dead". Simply no live fsh or prawns etc for me. Please lets not argue the religion or karmic issues because I think it will get really ugly... it is just a notion that is FYI purpose only.
    
    I am stating my opinion only, you don't seem to be much too happy with mine. I am certainly happy with yours before you start thinking I am being personal and target me personally. =) And when you start using words like "delude" on someone's perspective/religious beliefs, you are being condescending and putting down your fellow forum posters be it intentional or unintentional. Word choice my friend tells a lot. =)
    
    Have fun rebuking me. Will let you have the last word or there is no end... =) I don't take myself too seriously so you don't have to as well...just a discussion. =)
    
    PS: I eat organic and free range as much as I can but yeah still not humane....someday will be a vegetarian
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008)

     
    hahah ice you have a friend LOL someone else don't like me...hahahah
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      CommentAuthorPANERAI (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008)

     
    Who dun like u PG ? I stand by you ok ? : )
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008)

     
    panerai don't look for trouble ahhahaha
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      CommentAuthorPANERAI (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008)

     
    I trouble maker like u mah ! : )
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      CommentAuthorpicky gourmet (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008)

     
    Panerai ....since you also think i trouble maker best I go somewhere else lah....
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      CommentAuthorDG (CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008)

     
    Ok guys, everyone has said what they needed to say......good for everyone to respect each other's opinion and move on.